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City of Long Beach Road to Reconciliation: Community Town Hall - Shared screen with speaker view
Dave Shukla
33:58
Hello
Chrysta Wilson
37:57
Good evening everyone! There are 45 Attendees tonight.
Shreya.Sharan@longbeach.gov
40:08
https://forms.gle/zmgJsRbcAAuzPnsX8
Shreya.Sharan@longbeach.gov
40:27
Here is the survey for those who would like to provide their feedback in writing. If you have already filled this survey out, you do not need to submit it again.
Katie Balderas
44:27
http://longbeach.gov/pages/city-news/fiscal-year-2021-proposed-budget/
Katie Balderas
44:34
http://longbeach.gov/pages/city-news/fiscal-year-2021-proposed-budget/
Katie Balderas
45:00
Take the City's budget survey at the link above
Christopher Covington
46:13
Who are the stakeholders who have already been reviewing the data along side CSULB?
Tiffany Davy
46:49
hopefully environmental justice falls under dismantling racism
Shreya.Sharan@longbeach.gov
47:25
https://forms.gle/zmgJsRbcAAuzPnsX8
Here is the survey for those who would like to provide their feedback in writing. If you have already filled this survey out, you do not need to submit it again.
Anna Christensen
48:00
do not see survey for new attendees in chatbox
Nicolassa Galvez
48:30
can we get periodic updates on number of attendees. thank you
Chrysta Wilson
48:33
There are 53 attendees in this session right now.
Christopher Covington
48:38
Who are the stateholders? Be transparent and share the list.
Dave Shukla
50:09
I think environmental and climate justice issues are so huge in this town, given its historically attributable impacts, that it deserves its own category
Teresa Chandler
51:52
My apologies Chris, I misspoke. The stakeholders have not been engaged yet, Cal State Long Beach is analyzing the data at this time. Stakeholders will be engaged after. We will definitely discuss and be transparent about who the stakeholders are.
Nicolassa Galvez
52:03
more inclusive than 'step' is take space - give space... there is another one I really like but can't think of it at the moment
Anna Christensen
53:38
Q - Are any of the Stakeholders that were referred to Native American?, California Tribal members?
Chrysta Wilson
54:18
Participants are invited to participate in a Poll via Mentimeter They can either click this link: https://www.menti.com/tmwgixi2ve Or go to Menti.com and enter the code 78 58 17
Katie Balderas
54:19
The recordings are posted here: http://longbeach.gov/health/healthy-living/office-of-equity/reconciliation/
Tiffany Davy
55:43
Environmental and climate justice issues definitely deserve their own box, and have been mentioned directly in previous sessions
Nicolassa Galvez
57:58
can we see ideas again
Christopher Covington
59:22
Please address the stateholder question.
Shreya.Sharan@longbeach.gov
01:02:15
Hi chris, Not sure if you saw the response but Teresa Chandler responded to your stakeholder question with the following:
Shreya.Sharan@longbeach.gov
01:02:18
My apologies Chris, I misspoke. The stakeholders have not been engaged yet, Cal State Long Beach is analyzing the data at this time. Stakeholders will be engaged after. We will definitely discuss and be transparent about who the stakeholders are.
J T
01:05:07
Mr. Pearl!
Chrysta Wilson
01:05:09
There are 58 attendees in the meeting
Shreya.Sharan@longbeach.gov
01:05:43
Someone responded to the survey tonight with the following comment I wanted to bring forward: “Call on people that took the time to answer your surveys and see if they are willing to participate at a deeper level. “
J T
01:06:14
Mr. pearl, are you here?
Christopher Covington
01:06:36
Thank you for adressing my question. I look froward to being engaged in that process as offered from the last public safety meeting.
Anna Christensen
01:08:16
I also agree that the ideas presented on Safety will help
Anna Christensen
01:08:59
I also think ending cash bail is important to pulblic safety
Katie Balderas
01:09:59
Here are slides from tonight: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1cgwhlr80onnv_msecXQ7lHMxVu9tVb0RayEi5reU7E8/edit?usp=sharing
Alyssa Gutierrez
01:10:11
The City of Long Beach should dedicate resources to educating staff, council, and residents more broadly about the true history and purpose of policing, and the criminal "justice" system in its totality, in America and Long Beach. And why it is that the general public think they need police to be "safe".
Alyssa Gutierrez
01:11:50
This will help in the reimagining of public safety. People cannot imagine another way because they have only known one way.
Katie Balderas
01:11:57
heres the poll link again: https://www.menti.com/tmwgixi2ve
Anna Christensen
01:13:21
The City designed an approved a Healthy Community Policy which it is not enforcing, now I can't even find it online. Would like to have that researched and included in the equity study.
Chrysta Wilson
01:14:01
There are 56 attendees in this session right now
adele dazeem
01:15:15
decriminalize
Robin` Rehmet
01:15:35
Sorry, no mic on this computer.Are these ideas in any particular order?
Anna Christensen
01:15:53
Strongly agree that these ideas will help. Also think that we need to focus on what needs to be dismantled, what we need to undo, like for-profit health care, fees for public recreational programs.
Nicolassa Galvez
01:16:01
I don't know much about health, let alone about Black health - so unsure how to answer these survey questions or how this data will be utilized
Robert Fox
01:16:54
Is the City willing to restore the City Charter to have a real Citizen's Police Complaint Commission? The right to interview officers ( by right of law) The right to investigate? The right to have the original complaint not an altered complaint without all the persons in the complaint? The right to hire its own exectutive director, rather than have the City control that position? Making sure no Police officer is in the meeting. Taking the IAD out of this process. Just give the original complaint to the commission.
J T
01:17:08
Thank you for your honesty Nicolassa. To the City staff: I understand the goal of wanting to center
Robert Fox
01:19:05
you may read my question.
Anna Christensen
01:19:42
Who can and can't access care? Clearly we need medicare for all but at the City level we need to make sure POC get the care needed in a timely manner.
Dave Shukla
01:21:34
Since you've asked about the listening sessions and feedback created thus far, I must note my disappointment with the 'Economic Equity' and 'Youth and Education' sessions - Honestly, given everything on the LBUSD call last night and coming out of it, I think there are a couple of ways to address the relative inaccessibility of the two FoR sessions mentioned: instead of the 'focus group' model for these Fellowship of Reconciliation sessions, we should reiterate the model with improvements next year, with metrics for tracking progress on equity: how many jobs created, how many resources directed to historically under-invested and under-resourced communities, how many dirty energy jobs in town and CoLB operations we have transformed justly into clean energy jobs, how many students trained and apprenticed as part of a just transition program, etc. We can analyze our progress with the FY21 Budget by Census Block, using Cal Enviro Screen and other established State of CA data sets for tracking demographic gaps,
Alyssa Gutierrez
01:21:49
We should be funding the things we actually know reduce crime. All of the data will tell you that what prevents crime, is when people have access to economic opportunities, gainful employment, education, access to supports that allow them to meet their basic needs, mental health supports, drug abuse treatment, housing, youth development. All of the things we say we cant afford to pay for because we spend half of our general fund on the police dept. who are not contributing to addressing these needs, but are actually exacerbating these issues- both directly with their actions, and indirectly through the hogging of resources.
Chrysta Wilson
01:22:31
Speaker #2 Bill, Speaker #3: Anna
Chrysta Wilson
01:26:04
There are 56 attendees in this session right now
Chrysta Wilson
01:26:27
Speakers: Anna, Clarissa, Tiffany
Nicolassa Galvez
01:26:50
thank you Chrysta for the attendance updates! :)
Chrysta Wilson
01:28:01
Thanks for the suggestion @Nicolassa. This is as large as the last one, so keeping this count is helpful for me to remember that!
Carlos Ovalle
01:29:32
It’s not a Black vs Brown “riot”!
Carlos Ovalle
01:31:14
This is a false narrative guided by misleaders. Black and Brown have much more in common than not. The BLM protests we’ve seen this past month are proof that we have more in common with each other than not.
Christopher Covington
01:31:17
Place based equity should be a priority and make it a ten year commitment to change the statistics.
Nicolassa Galvez
01:32:36
Via @nytimes:New federal data — made available after The New York Times sued the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention — reveals a clearer and more complete picture. Black and Latino people have been disproportionately affected by the coronavirus in a widespread manner that spans the country — in urban, suburban and rural areas — and cuts across every age group.The new data provides detailed characteristics of 640,000 coronavirus infections detected in nearly 1,000 U.S. counties. It shows that Black and Latino people are 3 times as likely to contract the coronavirus than their white neighbors — and twice as likely to die.Experts point to circumstances that make Black and Latino people more likely than white people to be exposed to the virus, including the fact that many work in jobs that can't be done from home. Among the 249 U.S. counties with at least 5,000 Black residents for which we obtained detailed data, the infection rate for African-American resident
Anna Christensen
01:33:25
Tiffany's comments are great!
Robin` Rehmet
01:33:35
My demographics: I'm beige colored, Buddhist, age 55 - 64, occupation tax preparer. Homeowner with 2 rental units for over 25 years in a mixed neighborhood. This is my first time attending anything like this. I am also an organic gardener with food growing in containers in my driveway and a plot in a community garden at my local park. This last
Clarissa Henry
01:33:45
Yes, agreed, the narrative of Black vs Brown is VERY false. The history of Black and Brown, BIPOC history should be actually taught into LBUSD curriculum.
Robin` Rehmet
01:33:51
Oooops premature send,
Nicolassa Galvez
01:34:11
...cont. Among the 249 U.S. counties with at least 5,000 Black residents for which we obtained detailed data, the infection rate for African-American residents is higher than the rate for white residents in all but 14 of those counties. And for the 206 counties with at least 5,000 Latino residents for which we have detailed data, 178 have higher coronavirus infection rates for Latino residents than for white residents.When comparing age groups, the disparities are even more extreme. For example, Latino people between the ages of 40 and 59 have been infected at 5 times the rate of white people in the same age group. Of Latino people who died, more than 25% were younger than 60. Among white people who died, only 6% were that young.
Robin` Rehmet
01:34:40
I think healthy food opportunities are really important for health
Clarissa Henry
01:34:58
Yes, please. Anyone.
Anna Christensen
01:35:34
Immigrants without papers live in a constant state of fear and stress and have testified to this at City Council meetings. This needs to become part of the conversations about both safety and health.
Chrysta Wilson
01:35:57
There are 53 attendees in this session right now
Carlos Ovalle
01:36:27
“An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure” - Ben FranklinThe best way to improve safety is to address it in terms of prevention. To get a high school teacher trained, including a college degree and teaching credentials, and then pay them a couple of years of salary, costs somewhere around $325k. Something similar for a Registered Nurse.A police officer with a high school diploma will earn about $2 million in that same period of time. Defunding the police means to invest in prevention, in health, in teaching, in housing, etc. rather than attempting to deal with problems at the tail end.
Robin` Rehmet
01:40:08
Perhaps my menti "temperature" might be different after hearing/reading what others have to say
Tiffany Davy
01:40:14
ca-allianceforpreventionfunding.org -on establishing a California Wellness Trust, their proposal has been up for at least two years
Christopher Covington
01:40:18
We need living wage jobs that will cover 3 times the rent in this city. studios are 1100 in this city...
Dave Shukla
01:40:47
Contraction and Convergence, a la Aubrey Meyer, on a local level - we start with the most disadvantaged communities, in our city historically redlined black neighborhoods in the central, west, and north parts of town - and we rebuild them
Dave Shukla
01:41:04
We are the city that built the Arsenal of Democracy in WW2
Alyssa Gutierrez
01:41:04
Quality, stable and affordable housing along with living wages are going to be key to reaching economic equity
Clarissa Henry
01:41:06
Education and outreach to our communities of any future programs, in accessible forms more than online social media and emails, mail with recycled paper to communities, culturally competency and humility is just too essential in outreach. If the community doesn't trust the city or PD, programs could be made to become official "community leaders" by district.
Dave Shukla
01:41:12
we need a similar type of mobilizatoin
Dave Shukla
01:41:16
*mobilization
Dave Shukla
01:41:46
of resources, at scale for meeting climate stabilization pathways open to us - and that has to start with equity
Christopher Covington
01:41:57
Words matter please take bold steps.
Anna Christensen
01:41:59
We need a public works program and a guaranteed minimum income. Building "wealth" under the capitalist model necessitates profiting from extracting resources - from the land or the labor of others. It also involves competition.
Carlos Ovalle
01:42:38
It addresses a smaller point with is to raise the economic level of a relatively tiny percentage of the BIPOC population. This is the “Black Capitalism” of the Nation of Islam. Instead we should be looking at a Living Wage ordinance, Inclusionary Housing, and more importantly Defund the Police and use that to invest in teachers and healthcare workers which will raise everyone’s level, not just a few.
Anna Christensen
01:45:47
Micro loans to women are working well on a global level, bring this to Long Beach. I agree with Linda that people need to know more about how the system works. I also feel that, like the Police, it needs radical change. Defund the Banks and the Billionaires!
Alyssa Gutierrez
01:46:07
We need to level the playing filed- reparations. White people in this country had a 400+ year head start to building wealth
Christopher Covington
01:46:07
Many of the proposed goals are watered down and just scratching the surface. We need an overhaul to the system not just talking points or buzz words.
Dave Shukla
01:46:33
I completely agree with Linda Wilson - allostatic load
adele dazeem
01:46:40
exactly. vague buzzwords and talking points
Tiffany Davy
01:47:15
Thank you Linda, absolutely agree
J T
01:47:19
Thank you for your honesty Nicolassa. Thank you Christopher for your feedback and wonderful wisdom. To the City staff: I understand the goal of wanting to center Black voices, yet, I have questioned how was this going to possible in an event open to public. I believe ALL folks need and want to have their voices heard, especially due to what we are all experiencing. So, I view this as a great opportunity and space for folks to do so. YET, if you are not collecting demographic data on who is on the call, again, how can you amplify Black voices or even gather information that is Black focused. I believe that it is not ok to survey folks about anti-blackness when they may not even know what that means. I still question what is the city Reconciling. Yes, I heard the introduction, yet, I still question what the City is Reconciling
Robin` Rehmet
01:47:28
Well stated Linda
Anna Christensen
01:49:39
Linda Wilson does connect the dots. Will her son survive a trip to the store. It's all about survival and it's a constant struggle.
Anna Christensen
01:51:26
OMG! Put into the juvenile justice system!!!
Chrysta Wilson
01:52:45
There are 50 attendees in this session right now
Christopher Covington
01:54:38
Listen to Jerlene and it is your duty and our duty to change this white supremacists institution called Long Beach.
Clarissa Henry
01:54:46
There is a lot of fear of failure and rejection in terms of obtaining a job/career, companies and businesses could maybe get incentives something similar to but not the same to affirmative action.Or possibly BIPOC of lower income job fairs with companies and local busniesses, city jobs, that actually provide a mentor/apprentice/career counselor for participants; these programs should include planning towards certifications and degrees, with the counselors from the programs checking in periodically during the education process, the certification process, job placement work or help toward further education, then to check in periodically while IN the job they obtain.There are similar programs for Family & Peer Support Specialists that are free because of California grants from NAMI California.Thank you for your sharing your experience.
Anna Christensen
01:55:57
I remember this issue. I think that the incident happened in Bixby Knolls, a wealthy white neighborhood. I also do not remember hearing it be resolved, now I know why. City employees are silenced and City leaders avoid controversy and prefer to focus on what they are doing right and getting re-elected.
Tiffany Davy
01:57:17
agree again Linda
Robin` Rehmet
01:57:43
I remember the hype & hoopla over the Halloween incident and saw that page 4 (or thereabouts) news item about the trial of the real criminals. I may not understand "Blackness" but I'm trying. I've been aware of inequality and am grateful to finally be able to learn what I can do about it.
Anna Christensen
01:58:40
Privatization of public schools is now on steriods. I was just thinking how it started with desegregation, Linda makes that clear.
Robin` Rehmet
01:58:54
Agree again Linda. "Re-prioritize" the police?
Clarissa Henry
01:58:55
The press/city has to be aware of the words, phrases, and buzzwords they use that have deeper meanings than the they know, and held accountable.
Dave Shukla
01:59:48
@Linda Wilson - We've seen this happen locally - After Los Al High was created in 1967, there were multiple race riots at Poly and other local schools within 5 years - shifting of resources is a cyclical thing across various sectors - housing, education, jobs, civic knowledge, etc.
Nicolassa Galvez
02:00:57
can we get mentioned code again?
Dave Shukla
02:01:05
if we had a green new deal and bob dowell hadn't wasted the last 2 years of my life, maybe
Nicolassa Galvez
02:01:05
*menti
Chrysta Wilson
02:01:23
Participants are invited to participate in a Poll via Mentimeter They can either click this link: https://www.menti.com/tmwgixi2ve Or go to Menti.com and enter the code 78 58 17
Alyssa Gutierrez
02:01:25
Imagine if the Office of Equity was staffed and funded the way the police dept was. And if OOE had as much influence over the budget as PD currently did. This would be a vastly different city.
Clarissa Henry
02:01:36
OH, the renaming of the schools. There is no reason that Millikan and Jordan should keep their names. The pain felt when I found out my homeschool and the school im an alumni of are Eugenicists. It physically hurt and I was sickened.
Dave Shukla
02:02:36
Imagine if all the police officers were fired and we only rehired Black Women - vastly different city then also
Milan Sewell
02:03:11
The idea of baking is great, but would like to see actionable items
Carlos Ovalle
02:03:12
The power structure of the city must change, and for that to happen we must remove from the equation the LBPOA
Dave Shukla
02:03:36
https://transformharm.org/community-accountability/
Carlos Ovalle
02:03:51
Long Beach Police officers association
Chrysta Wilson
02:04:34
****FOUR REFLECTIONS FROM THE LISTENING SESSIONS****(1) REIMAGINE PUBLIC SAFETY: Transform public safety and reimagine policing by-Decreasing investment in law enforcement and policing-Redesigning police oversight and accountability through improved complaint and discipline practices.-Addressing police violence, systemic racism and implicit bias through improved recruitment and training-Creating community-based alternatives to police response
Chrysta Wilson
02:04:43
(2) EXPAND HEALTH: Advancing health equity through-supporting community-based organizations that serve the Black community-growing youth programming-improving mental health services, housing, education, and other opportunities.-providing safe green space and addressing environmental and climate impacts-investing in Black health equity, including birth outcomes, diabetes, hypertension
Chrysta Wilson
02:05:03
3) BUILD COMMUNITY WEALTH: Advancing economic inclusion by-Increasing access to good paying jobs-Developing policies to increase procurement relationships between small businesses and local government agencies-Increasing access to capital-Other efforts to increase wealth and ownership in the Black community
Chrysta Wilson
02:05:05
(4) Dismantle Racism In The City: Baking racial equity into Baking racial equity into everything the City does, including-Budget-Policies & practice-Programs & services
James Marks
02:05:37
Jerlene helped that family because the media and city tried to villanize and criminalize those black students who got into a altercation with adult whites who attacked them but they thought because they were under age students it was going to be a walk in the park and they( the adults) were publicized as the victims
Milan Sewell
02:06:55
The American Black experience is not monolithic. When brainstorming and creating opportunities of improvement for Black residents be mindful that one solution is not a one size fit all. when creating practices and policies policy it should beneficial to all Black people not only a specific sector.
Clarissa Henry
02:07:07
District town halls for BIPOC monthly by councilmembers/neighborhood associations/trusted community members to get present issues, ongoing, new, or any concerns in general to share with their council member (if they are not present) and then passed to the city if policy is needed. face to face is needed for learning the emotions and pain.
Carlos Ovalle
02:09:29
amen to that
adele dazeem
02:09:38
100% cosign Christopher
Nicolassa Galvez
02:09:45
be bold. yes
Dave Shukla
02:10:00
be bold and might forces will come to our aid
Robin` Rehmet
02:10:02
For any of these ideas to create lasting change, the focus MUST be on the youth. It might go right over the head of one or 2 of us older folks, but the only way to create a world without racism is to raise a generation without racism
Carlos Ovalle
02:11:15
Currently city council skips one meeting every month. I propose that we restore that one meeting as a town hall.
Nicolassa Galvez
02:11:16
that's not me :)
James Marks
02:11:34
I agree to townhall
Anna Christensen
02:11:49
Racism in the City is systemic and also operative on an individual level. "Baking" is an interesting word. We do need laws and enforcement, not uninforcible policies. Doling out funds to non-profits is random and, like, outsourcing City contracts, unpredictable on short-lived. We also need to repeal laws and change practices that result in negative impacts for POCs.
adele dazeem
02:11:56
agree to townhall
Chrysta Wilson
02:12:35
There are 48 attendees in this session right now
Clarissa Henry
02:13:55
LGBTQ+, especially Black Transgender community has to be protected, their pain addressed, and programs (existing or future) of Peers to help the adults and questioning youth. The Center could use more funding for BIPOC specifically.We also need to make sure that any of these programs or ideas introduced be accessible. North Long Beach has LONG been ignored, the black and brown community. We have always been described as ghetto. District lines correlate with racism.
Nicolassa Galvez
02:15:50
note: the last commenter on city contracts was not Nicolassa. wanted to hear from her so gave her my link. it was amara omoregie, a local black owned business leader
adele dazeem
02:17:10
Nextdoor like stormfront for suburbanites, at least on the Eastside. racism alive and thriving over here.
Trudi Dip
02:18:48
Would love to see education campaing/programs in district 9 to encourage our highschool students to pursue IT careers, (programming, software design, & computer security). According to DLS these are some of the fastest growing and highest paying jobs.
Dave Shukla
02:19:23
Policing is so different in other societies...
Dave Shukla
02:19:47
slave catching and suppressing slave rebellions - goes back to the 1540s in Virginia
Dave Shukla
02:19:57
*native rebellions, sorry
Kathleen Hill
02:20:15
Adele Dazeem I live on the Eastside and Nextdoor is awful and it is not safe for black people in District 5.
Carlos Ovalle
02:20:51
“To protect and to serve” but not the public, the status quo.
Clarissa Henry
02:20:53
Tickets. The fines can be a cycle of poverty for many. LBPD/City has to be aware of this, and possibly providing MORE forgiveness programs for non violence offenses- that are accessible.The stigma of homeless MUST be addressed as well. Long Beach has de-humanized those without homes from the police department, educators, to community members. Homelessness is being addressed however not homelessness through a cultural equitiable lens
Dave Shukla
02:21:06
Police as the public policy of last resort is something we need to change - because that works for property, not 21st century people
Clarissa Henry
02:22:14
Thank you so much Ms. Gutierrez.
Dave Shukla
02:22:24
Exactly - the police are dumped on all the time - public health, social service, mental health roles they are not trained for
Dave Shukla
02:22:45
oh my god - they have so much more gear than the nurses my mom works with
Carlos Ovalle
02:23:58
This goes back to the issue of the police protecting their interests. We need to address the LBOPA involvement as kingmakers
Dave Shukla
02:24:01
Alyssa Guiterrez nailed it. 100%
Anna Christensen
02:24:36
If the City means to address racism, these listening sessions must not treat the voices of those with privilege or those advocating for the status quo or even worse - more police, as relevant. This is about taking action to change our city and police department, to dismantle racism. If people are not on board with that and want to push back, we cannot allow their words and actions to derail this process. Certain City Council members and some City Staff will say that all opinions and comments must be treated equally, others may think they need to moderate their views and actions. That would be a mistake.
Anna Christensen
02:28:58
Think of police murders as extra-judicial killings and crimes against humanity - this is the language of International Human Rights. What about having the City host a tribunal on human rights violations. Get outside the box of the USA.
Tiffany Davy
02:28:58
Agree and also, Dept of Aging would be helpful
Trudi Dip
02:29:19
I think LB would benefit from a police program implemented last year In CO- their RIGHT Care Team (Rapid Integrated Group Healthcare Team) sends out a social worker, specialized paramedic, and a police officer on mental health/drug calls and as a result only 2% of those calls resulted in arrests.
Anna Christensen
02:30:15
Have to go to another webinar, you are doing a wonderful job. Looking forward to attending more sessions.
Chrysta Wilson
02:31:02
There are 41 participants in the session right now
Clarissa Henry
02:35:52
White people must speak about BIPOC systemic concerns and history with each other to potentially protect any retaliation on BIPOC. White people have to be educated in a way where BIPOC, Black community especially, are not stigmatized, stereotyped, not believed, OR USED as symbols for the entire community. this has to be a continuous conversation and time to UNLEARN a lot.
Christopher Covington
02:37:43
I believe you. I hope to see it and I am here to assist to make that real.
Clarissa Henry
02:38:10
I am dedicated to BIPOC LGBTQ+ TAY community and cannot see another generation be effected how the 90's were, the 60's, every past generation. Generational trauma is very real and not taken seriously enough.
Clarissa Henry
02:38:58
Use the Houghton Center, It is useable for NLB.
Clarissa Henry
02:39:20
Thank you
Robin` Rehmet
02:39:22
Thank you!
Chrysta Wilson
02:39:26
Thank you all for your wisdom!